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		<title>By: Neha Viswanathan</title>
		<link>http://www.withinandwithout.com/2006/06/icons-underwear-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-1723</link>
		<dc:creator>Neha Viswanathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor: I find the concept of icons interesting. At some point in time - the icon changes association. Then the icon no longer serves the &quot;original purpose&quot;. But the idea behind releasing anything into the public domain is to respect what people do with it .. no? 

Even in Soviet art, this need to be &quot;realistic&quot; while the rest of the world went ga-ga over cubist perspectives is fascinating. I could never be a communist - I am too much of an individualist for that - and I think it&#039;s interesting that most communist icons were all powerful and charismatic individuals. Thanks for the Trotsky tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor: I find the concept of icons interesting. At some point in time &#8211; the icon changes association. Then the icon no longer serves the &#8220;original purpose&#8221;. But the idea behind releasing anything into the public domain is to respect what people do with it .. no? </p>
<p>Even in Soviet art, this need to be &#8220;realistic&#8221; while the rest of the world went ga-ga over cubist perspectives is fascinating. I could never be a communist &#8211; I am too much of an individualist for that &#8211; and I think it&#8217;s interesting that most communist icons were all powerful and charismatic individuals. Thanks for the Trotsky tip!</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
		<link>http://www.withinandwithout.com/2006/06/icons-underwear-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-1668</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel so conflicted about Che&#039;s image. On the one hand, it&#039;s great that kids in the suburbs can identify with a revolutionary fighter - maybe it&#039;ll spur them to learn more. On the other hand - he&#039;s now being used to sell lip balm. That&#039;s so depressing. I saw a t-shirt with that image and the slogan &quot;I have no idea who this is.&quot; I thought it was appropriate, unfortunately.

I can&#039;t say I lament the Fatherland that put so many good Communists to death. But the social engineering of the early Soviet regime is fascinating: they really had a sense that they were remaking the world, heightening the cultural level of the masses (&#039;culture&#039; in the older, social sense of the word, not only art.) 

Trotsky has some great pieces in the collection &quot;Problems of Everyday Life&quot; which detail that effort. Like outlawing the word &#039;thou&#039; in the army - reserved for officers and one&#039;s social betters - and replacing it with &#039;you&#039;, to introduce linguistic equality. Like many measures - legalized abortion &amp; homosexuality, collective kitchens, artistic pluralism - it didn&#039;t last, but it showed a glimpse into what even a poor revolutionary society can accomplish.

Thanks for the chance to go on about communism &amp; the USSR :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel so conflicted about Che&#8217;s image. On the one hand, it&#8217;s great that kids in the suburbs can identify with a revolutionary fighter &#8211; maybe it&#8217;ll spur them to learn more. On the other hand &#8211; he&#8217;s now being used to sell lip balm. That&#8217;s so depressing. I saw a t-shirt with that image and the slogan &#8220;I have no idea who this is.&#8221; I thought it was appropriate, unfortunately.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I lament the Fatherland that put so many good Communists to death. But the social engineering of the early Soviet regime is fascinating: they really had a sense that they were remaking the world, heightening the cultural level of the masses (&#8216;culture&#8217; in the older, social sense of the word, not only art.) </p>
<p>Trotsky has some great pieces in the collection &#8220;Problems of Everyday Life&#8221; which detail that effort. Like outlawing the word &#8216;thou&#8217; in the army &#8211; reserved for officers and one&#8217;s social betters &#8211; and replacing it with &#8216;you&#8217;, to introduce linguistic equality. Like many measures &#8211; legalized abortion &amp; homosexuality, collective kitchens, artistic pluralism &#8211; it didn&#8217;t last, but it showed a glimpse into what even a poor revolutionary society can accomplish.</p>
<p>Thanks for the chance to go on about communism &amp; the USSR :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Neha Viswanathan</title>
		<link>http://www.withinandwithout.com/2006/06/icons-underwear-and-history/comment-page-1/#comment-1646</link>
		<dc:creator>Neha Viswanathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anonymouspal: Buddy pal! Finally you comment on my blog. So thrilled! Well, all I know about development I learnt from you, so yes I take your word for it. :)

Anon2: Boots? That always makes me think of All Quiet on the Western Front. Something about boots - I think the character called Kemmerich dies and tells a certain Paul to give Müller his boots. Something about symbolism and death. Fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymouspal: Buddy pal! Finally you comment on my blog. So thrilled! Well, all I know about development I learnt from you, so yes I take your word for it. :)</p>
<p>Anon2: Boots? That always makes me think of All Quiet on the Western Front. Something about boots &#8211; I think the character called Kemmerich dies and tells a certain Paul to give Müller his boots. Something about symbolism and death. Fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust the most missed and lamented Fatherland to come up with such wacko underwear social policies. lol But then isn&#039;t it said that the best things you can have in times of war is a good pair of boots and clean socks? Maybe Soviet underwear is an extension of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust the most missed and lamented Fatherland to come up with such wacko underwear social policies. lol But then isn&#8217;t it said that the best things you can have in times of war is a good pair of boots and clean socks? Maybe Soviet underwear is an extension of this.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymouspal</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymouspal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought V&amp;A always meant Vulnerability and Adaptation....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought V&amp;A always meant Vulnerability and Adaptation&#8230;.</p>
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